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sunk said...Ah yes the old "you didn't go to school therefore your work is irrelevant" argument.
Whiny bastids.
LaFemmeMikita said...AIGA has a strong stance against spec work. They also have relationship with Aquent. Aquent has several AIGA videos posted on their site dedicated to recognizing the "value of design" as well as "design ethics." Aquent is a staffing agency for designers, so for them to do this basically sets the signal to companies that design doesn't have value, that the service designers offer isn't worth paying for.
here are some of the better responses:
CLEARLY you, Matt, do not understand the value of good design. It is MUCH more than just making something look new or different or fresh...yes good design (something that is purely aesthetically pleasing) can be achieved through a design contest...there are tons of talented designers that could just make something look good...but, are they really providing you with a total solution??? Do they really understand WHY you want to redesign the homepage??? If the current Aquent homepage is working so well why redesign it? Obviously it is not meeting some business level expectations somewhere and someone raised that concern and felt the need to redesign it....is this contest going to provide Aquent with the business solution it needs or just something that looks pretty??? Or is that all that matters to Aquent...all gloss and no substance."
"you're completely undermining design as a valuable and meaningful profession and, in turn, undermining Aquent. Why would anyone go to Aquent to hire a designer for $60 an hour ($30 for you guys and $30 for the designer) if they can just post a quick 3 bullet brief on some website and pay $200 or $500 and be done with it? Why do they need Aquent at that point? So you're helping to undermine the company you work for...you're helping Aquent lose business...in the long run this little $500 contest has (and will) cost Aquent waaaaay more than sending out an RFP ever would have.
We should be out there educating clients on the value of good design not perpetuating the ignorance. Way to be a solid part of the design community."
"if the "crowd-sourcing" model is here to stay, the question becomes what impact it has on the profession and the value of design.
Right now, I would say that sites like 99designs occupy a fairly low niche in the design food chain. They serve as a place where small businesses can go and quickly and cheaply get a number of designs created for them. The quality of design, while maybe not terrible, is certainly not very good and definitely not representative of the best the industry can produce.
In other words, I don't see them as a threat at the moment, because most of my clients would not use a service like that. They tend to put a premium on good design and wouldn't consider using a site of that kind for their corporate communications, the same way a large company wouldn't hire some kid fresh out of law school to be their lawyer just because he was cheaper!
What is problematic for many of us is when a major company - scratch that, a major DESIGN company(!) - like Aquent steps in and makes use of that service, to redesign their homepage no less. That begins to legitimize the concept for mainstream and professional use, which makes it harder for the rest of us, who occupy that professional space, to sell our services at a decent price. And quite frankly, it reduces the quality of design for the client as well. Basically it leads to a lowering of everyone's standards, including ultimately, the user's.
In the end, it will always be a struggle to convince people of the value of good design because it is such an ephemeral thing. Any kid can crack open Photoshop and slap together a design these days, and he might even do it for $500. However, I strongly believe that good design, which comes from years of study and experience, is an important component of a business's success. In my mind, companies like Aquent, whose livelihood depends on design, should be working to increase recognition of the value of that service, rather than reducing it."
Biff said...It may have worked, had their core audience not collectively dropped a steaming load in their face.
It's bad to alienate your core audience.
LaFemmeMikita said...I think i'm not clear on what point you're trying to make then. do you not have a problem with Aquent doing this?
I don't care if someone has great talent and didn't get a 4 yr degree. .
LaFemmeMikita said...
Design is more than a pretty picture. Design is art, engineering, craftsmanship, usability, communication. You can't get that from the internet vending machine. But when a company who makes money off of connecting creatives with jobs turns to a contest on 99designs for design work, it's a huge slap in the face.

Biff has more immediately useful STW than most. 
sunk said.../facepalm
nevermind
What is problematic for many of us is when a major company - scratch that, a major DESIGN company(!) - like Aquent steps in and makes use of that service, to redesign their homepage no less. That begins to legitimize the concept for mainstream and professional use, which makes it harder for the rest of us, who occupy that professional space, to sell our services at a decent price. And quite frankly, it reduces the quality of design for the client as well. Basically it leads to a lowering of everyone's standards, including ultimately, the user's.
Biff said...I'd like to think that a true designer, with the chops to back up a $1500 logo doesn't feel the effects of some shadowy international company doing a $500 design contest. That's where this all breaks down for me.
I dictate prices for me. There's no standard. There's no perceived value. There's no quality control. Timmy down the street charges $40 per hour. I charge $160+ per hour. If Blockbuster video wants Timmy at $40, they can have him.
The reality of the market is that an international company with 72 markets is going to act according to what their pockets dictate. If they think they can get a nobody to design something for them for $500, and they're happy, then so be it.
Market forces make it hard to say you make a quality product, so you get to charge more for it. More so now, as the world's economies go to shit. Design does have value but it's not intrinsic, the value is only tied to what you can get somebody to pay for it. You as a designer has the onus of educating the customer on what design is worth.
Given two designers of equal skill and proficiency, if designer A charges half of designer B, and develops the same quality project, which end project has more worth? Value and worth are two entirely different issues.
I do read some of those comments as high-drama designers saying they're successful, recognize me (but not all of them)! This is some law of the jungle shit going on here. It also wouldn't be as drama laden if it wasn't a drama that started with a company that has ties to the design industry.
Here's the key with all this. Don't alienate your core audience. That's the alpha and the omega of this issue.
Biff said...Here's the key with all this. Don't alienate your core audience. That's the alpha and the omega of this issue.
I'd agree with that but also, "respect the process". That is what is being skipped here is the process.
The onus on the rest of the designers to educate clients on what design is worth when they see big companies do this DOES makes it much harder; it hurts the whole design community, not just some whiners who think they should be paid more without justifying it
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