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    • CommentAuthorvortexual
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2008
     
    If he has his way it looks like the end of bendy busses in London and welcome back route master.

    The mayor is launching a campaign for us Londoners to design a new replacement bus.

    Any ideas?

    vortexual :smile:
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      CommentAuthorchris
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2008
     
    wheel on each corner, "double decker" shaped double decked box on top. i think it could work :)
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      CommentAuthorsquapple
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2008
     
    Clever, I see what you did there with the extra deck !
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      CommentAuthornicko
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2008
     
    I never understood the bendy single deckers. If the point is to ease congestion why make a bus with a bigger footprint?

    Nice one Boris. I liked the old routemasters
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      CommentAuthorchris
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2008
     
    we may still be getting bendy buses here in swansea - the council got sold (another) dinger with that one. someone is making a lot of money out of this.
    • CommentAuthorvortexual
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2008
     
    I think they should have two staircases. One for going up one for going down. So many times you get twats who wedge themselves on the staircase and block the flow. Also make sure they have cameras on the staircases as, and this is the
    honest truth, I heard that youths up to mischief would loiter on the staircases as there were no cameras there. This was proven to be true to me as once I saw such a youth, and during this journey whilst he loitered there I/a few people heard a loud thud from that direction, glancing over and i/we observed how he picked up his fallen gun. NO WORD OF A LIE! Cool as you like, he dropped his gun and just picked it up and shoved it back into his low riders as if he had dropped his bus pass. UNREAL!

    vortexual
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      CommentAuthormick
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2008 edited
     
    i think that all city transport busses should give people an option to pedal, with a reduction in fare. maybe a set reduction, maybe a small monitor of how many ergs they contribute.

    that, and i wish everyone would stop thinking that public transport should make a profit.


    design that, please.
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      CommentAuthorzippie
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2008
     
    ~£10 says that current double decker design will stay and so will bendy buses for a while. Routemaster's are consigned to history, unless you change how people move they'll be a waste of time. BTW two staircases = less seats and less people on bus
    • CommentAuthorvortexual
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2008
     
    zippie said...~£10 says that current double decker design will stay and so will bendy buses for a while. Routemaster's are consigned to history, unless you change how people move they'll be a waste of time. BTW two staircases = less seats and less people on bus


    Eh? just make the bus slightly longer, to mirror other staircase. Can't be any more than say 1 meter if that therefore two staircases = same amount of seats :wink:

    vortexual
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      CommentAuthorzippie
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2008
     
    longer bus=more expensive bus + more weight = more polluting bus

    fact is this is a dumb idea and he's only doing it to play to the crowd. Majority of london buses do not need replacing and nobody's actually going to pay for new bus replacements when there's more pressing concerns i.e. getting tube maintenance back on track and filling in pot holes!
    • CommentAuthorvortexual
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2008
     
    zippie said...longer bus=more expensive bus + more weight = more polluting bus

    fact is this is a dumb idea and he's only doing it to play to the crowd. Majority of london buses do not need replacing and nobody's actually going to pay for new bus replacements when there's more pressing concerns i.e. getting tube maintenance back on track and filling in pot holes!


    PLEASE! :wink:
    If longer bus = more expensive bus plus more weight = more polluting bus, then wouldn't modifying materials used = less weight, and if not possible modify gear ratio = less energy needed to move bus but "slower" = same footprint :wink:

    I think it's a very important project and would say lots more hikes with congestion charges = more cash flow to fuck around with making new buses :happy:

    vortexual
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      CommentAuthorzippie
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2008
     
    congestion charge isn't going to increase, in fact congestion charge revenues will fall once certain contracts expire as Boris will end the western extension charge zone. Also the hike put forward by Ken previously will not go forward.

    With regards to materials, remember the credit crunch and prices of raw materials at present?

    Slower buses = more traffic and congestion

    again bad idea! :D

    Current double deckers work fine, and really there's people who get paid to do this stuff that will have enough off the shelf options. So a publicity stunt is not needed. Anyhow his aim is...

    "The bendy bus is unsuitable for London's streets, they are twice as dangerous as non-articulated buses and have almost three times the rate of fare evasion. I will phase out bendy buses and run a new competition to find a 21st century Routemaster that has full disabled access, runs on clean fuel and has conductors."

    He never promised to bring them back, a nice publicity stunt :D
    • CommentAuthorvortexual
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2008
     
    1) slower buses = more traffic and congestion ??? ever heard of bus lanes? Apparently they are meant for buses only and are on every bus route :wink:

    2) credit crunch in essence as ironic as it sounds means it's a buyers market, so buying new materials will come at a snip of previous prices as competition for the tender would be ferocious.

    3) do you work at city hall or something? you seem to be presenting yourself with first hand knowledge and not mere interpretation of the situation :wink: I mention this because I in fact work undercover for MI5.5 :happy: and know what size shoe Boris takes :wink:

    4) now see some sense and campaign for more congestion charges because I like buses and we could always never have too many :wink:

    5) ZZZzzz

    vortexual :wink:
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      CommentAuthorzippie
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2008 edited
     
    1) Bus lanes don't cover entire routes and actually unless you have enough buses using them (which isn't usually the case) they create more congestion! Also slower buses = need for more buses to have the same frequency of collections from stops.

    2) Obviously that isn't a ill informed assumption, prices of all raw materials needed to make a bus are increasing

    3) I do work in local government :) and if you read all of the material released by TFL/ the mayor etc regarding this its blatantly obvious that its a publicity campaign. From a competition, to tender, to design, to safety testing etc will take more than three years. Also in everything that's been released they use the term 'could' not 'will'...

    4) Congestion charge isn't a solution, neither is just increasing the number of buses and especially reintroducing the routemaster. A better solution would be to just purchase more buses of the present design and increase capacity on routes that are very busy... saves londoners a lot of money...

    5) Yep this convo is over :D
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      CommentAuthormick
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2008
     
    i've read a little more about this whole "ideas" project.

    basically, it looks like spec work to me.

    and vapourish, to boot.

    .... still think the pedalling idea would be a good thing. :D
    • CommentAuthorvortexual
    • CommentTimeJul 7th 2008 edited
     
    zippie said...1) Bus lanes don't cover entire routes and actually unless you have enough buses using them (which isn't usually the case) they create more congestion! Also slower buses = need for more buses to have the same frequency of collections from stops.

    2) Obviously that isn't a ill informed assumption, prices of all raw materials needed to make a bus are increasing

    3) I do work in local government :) and if you read all of the material released by TFL/ the mayor etc regarding this its blatantly obvious that its a publicity campaign. From a competition, to tender, to design, to safety testing etc will take more than three years. Also in everything that's been released they use the term 'could' not 'will'...

    4) Congestion charge isn't a solution, neither is just increasing the number of buses and especially reintroducing the routemaster. A better solution would be to just purchase more buses of the present design and increase capacity on routes that are very busy... saves londoners a lot of money...

    5) Yep this convo is over :D



    Pay attention Zippo.
    Admittedly I've not read all literature released by TFL, but round of applause for you in undertaking something so interesting :wink: I really do feel as if I've missed out on what life has to offer :happy:

    On an end note you might recall that I actually did end my last post "ZZZzzz" but you seemed to ignore that.

    Brave soul Zip storming out of the closet and admitting to being a civil servant. I say brave because for the uninitiated reading here civli servants each day, and this is true, go through the excruciating task of secretly swearing the following oath whilst standing in front of a mirror with one eye closed, standing on one leg and holding a banana in each hand: " I solemnly swear that I will see & hear only what I want to and shall uphold this revealing absolutely no embarrassment whatsoever even though I know I will end up presenting what others had already told me as my own unique brilliance no matter what and battle to the death, retirement or redundancy."

    Zip someone with so much...what's the word... ah yes... as I was saying for someone with so much potential: and run for mayor :happy:
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      CommentAuthorzippie
    • CommentTimeJul 7th 2008
     
    Not going to get into a discussion with you, but just to correct your lack of know how a local government officer is not part of the civil service.... therefore he/ she is not a civil servant. As for the rest of your idiotic post, its ignored :)
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      CommentAuthorbaseisdead
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2008
     
    now all you have left to do is call each other hitler and throw your own poo back and forth
    • CommentAuthorvortexual
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2008
     
    Such is the climate I am left to utter game set and match vortexual :happy:

    vortexual :wink:

    ps
    anyone got a good roast recipe?
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      CommentAuthorbaseisdead
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2008
     
    you fucking winner you
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    don't all poliicians get elected via publicity stunts?

    having been run over twice by bendy buses being driven by poorly trained drivers and often nearly thrown up because of the fumes that seep into the carriage through the springy bit i hate them through first hand experience

    the point of a bendy bus, though, is that it carries more people than a doible decker as it was decided long ago that it was unsafe to stand up when upstairs. so instead we have a much safer situation where we are crammed into a fume filled box driven by retards

    nice
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    oh and in theory they are less discriminatory as wheelchair users can also be gassed