I've just upgraded to Leopard and am having some trouble with my browsers.

Both Safari and FireFox quit when I try changing tabs or closing one, even though many more are awaiting my attention.

More than annoying!! Any ideas or suggestions, other than searching out "the web", which is difficult without a fully functioning browser!

There are two folders in that Input Managers folder.

One is the 1Password folder, and the other is something called Ecamm.

I did manage to open and use Opera, but want a stable version of Safari.

When I installed Leopard, for some reason the DVD didn't give me the option (at least obviously - I could have missed a menu choice) to install. I did think it was a bit strange, but it simply wrote over the old 10.4.11 system.

I'll also see about Camino. But really want Safari (& FireFox) stable.

Computer's not dieing - it's a pretty new MacBook.

I tried Camino, and it crashed when I chose another tab. But I'm on Opera right now, and it seems to be doing okay.

However, I will try copying my bookmarks, and deleting those prefs. I usually Reset Safari after use, but as it kept crashing, I didn't do it then. Will try that, too.

Well, I made a copy of the Bookmarks.plist and put it away, and deleted the original one. (Maybe there are others I should have trashed, too?)

Did a Reset Safari.

Put the copy of the Bookmarks.plis back into that folder (after editing out the "copy" in the name).

Tried again, the moment I tried to select another tab from a link I'd chosen from my first, Safari crashed.

At least I can use Opera for something.

JusMe, did you see my comment a couple posts above?

Yes, my copy of 1Password is new. Just installed it a short time ago. And checked for updates and it confirmed I've got the latest.

I've read the article, and basically it says Archive and Install.

Bit late now, I guess, as I just went ahead and installed over 10.4.11 Not sure if the option was there, but if it was, I missed it and went ahead.

Now I've got the browser problem. At least that's all that's a problem - I've checked out a good number of other apps, and everything else seems okay.

As I almost immediately went ahead with 5.1, I don't know if it's possible to reinstall 10.5 with the DVD. Or if it's advisable.

You can still do an Archive and Install, but after that's done, you'll need to reinstall 10.5.1 via Software Update.

I'd recommend selecting the option to 'Preserve Network Users and Settings' if you do decide to Archive and Install, and if the problem still persists, do another and choose not to preserve the network users and settings. It'll only move everything to a separate folder, you can put things back as you like. I want to note that nothing is deleted, unless you select the 'Erase' option.

I've done two 'Upgrade' installs here, and eventually had to do a clean install on one of the machines because it was having problems shutting down.

AppFresh is also quite useful in figuring out what needs to be updated - I'd run that before reinstalling OS X.

Damn!!

Done it again. Thought it was all solved, but the problem recurred this morning.

I did another deep clean with Leopard Cache Cleaner, and shortly thereafter, Safari crashed.

Then OmniWeb crashed after I'd used three or four tabs.

At least I've got Opera working at the moment.

I'll see about doing a reinstall of 10.5 and then the 5.1 update. Probably wait until this evening for that, but it sure is frustrating.

Kinda wish I could go back to 10.4.11 Sigh

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Last night, I did an Archive and Install, but stopped with just 10.5, not doing the upgrade.

This morning, launched Safari and got three tabs to work, but then it crashed.

I'll trash that Ecamm folder and do a Reboot and see what happens.

I can see the problems with those files having changed from Tiger to Leopard. I noticed that there was a different version of Mail, for example, and rather figured it would change the files.

Strange - I checked that Ecamm site and I don't use *any* of those features. I even wonder how that plug in got there.

Off to trash that folder, do a Reboot. I'll keep posting, using Opera.

Do you have a few GB of hard drive space left? If so, do an Archive and Install, but this time - do not select 'Preserve Users and Network Settings'. When it installs 10.5, run Software Update until it says there's no more to do.

From there, try running Safari. Everything should work fine, since you're essentially running a clean install of OS X. No external drive necessary.

Now, start moving stuff back. Go through your Previous System Folders and pick out what you'd like to save.

If something is located in /Previous System/Library/, be sure to put it back in /Library/. If something is located in /Previous System/users/YOU/Library/, be sure to put it back into the /users/YOU/Library/ folder in your new, clean install. Don't move everything blindly, be very picky about what you put back. You'll need to reinstall some apps completely, like Adobe apps, but things will work properly. When in doubt, don't move something back...you can always move it back later, if you find an app isn't working properly.

The apps you'll want to pay the most attention to are Application Support, Mail, Safari, Preferences, PreferencePanes, Widgets, Keychains, Screen Savers, Calendars, and Cookies. Depending on what you do with your computer, there could be more, but those are typically the ones that contain the important stuff. Also, your Documents, Downloads, Movies, Music, etc. Do not move back anything from Caches or Logs. Also, the main System folder (inside Previous Systems) can be safely deleted, too.

Much of your Applications folder can also be moved back and still function fine, but some apps will need to be reinstalled.

If I'm not making sense, let me know where I'm stumbling...it's tough to talk someone through this, but it makes sense when you're doing it yourself. Don't follow these instructions unless you understand them, you could end up losing data.

Otherwise though, that's how to do a clean install without an external hard drive to backup your stuff.

what did the crash log report AFTER you deleted the ecamm plugin?

did you install shockwave separately? I think this functionality is now part of the Flash plugin and no longer needed.
Try removing all shockwave and flash files from MyHome/library/Internet Plug-Ins and MyHD/library/Internet Plug-Ins and then reinstalling the latest version of the Flash plugin